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GRRL014: Recording for posterity and engaging showgoers and fans, featuring Dee Ray

If you’re listening to this podcast, then you are, at the very least, interested in music and at most, passionate. Grrl on Grrl’s next guest is not only passionate, but she finds herself drawn to music, so much so that it would probably hurt without it.

In this episode, I join Dee Ray in her house where we speak about the importance of recording your music as your personal history. We also talk about Dee’s strategy for engaging showgoers and fans, and enjoying the hands-on approach to books and letters.

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  • [1:30] Not sure what to do next after her past rock bands
    • Cover songs: personal or not?
    • Going in a different musical direction from Dee Ray -> Pretty Boom -> Mr. and Mrs. Ford
  • [4:00] Putting your actual name on the project: personal, vulnerable
    • Moving away from Dee Ray to Pretty Boom turned it into a collaborative experience
  • [5:00] Remembering the very first time performing live
    • Taking the big step into music
    • “Letting loose” while singing
    • “You can’t learn it unless you do it.”
  • [6:30] Making mistakes while performing
  • [7:30] How the hell do you write music with other people?
  • [8:45] Mr. and Mrs. Ford – Red Velvet (live)
  • [11:45] Handwritten postcards to fans before shows
    • Another expression of their art
    • Self-promotion and personalization
  • [13:00] Adding value and something physical to the musical experience
    • Is music throwaway? Does it devalue the work?
  • [15:00] Record, record, record
    • Live performance is illusory. “You can’t nail it down unless you have the music in your hands.”
    • “If you don’t record, you don’t have tangible evidence of where you were at that time.”
  • [15:45] Pretty Boom – Long Way Round
  • [19:00] Talking up San Diego band G Burns Jug Band
    • Watching and hearing the vibrancy from their live show be translated to their recordings
    • Over-producing/recording same part over and over
    • Being let down by a band’s recording versus their live performances
  • [21:00] Music as a hobby or a job? (The answer is neither.)
    • “It’s more important than a hobby.”
    • Referring to music as a product
    • “How do you put a price on your emotions and your life?”
  • [23:00] Dee boosts my ego
    • Podcast giving her the chance to reflect on things she hasn’t thought about for awhile
  • [23:45] Dee Ray – “New York”

Where to Find Dee’s Music

Other Notes & Thanks!

Thank you to Dee Ray for welcoming me into her home!

Intro and outro music is “Get Up Got It” by Sullen Ray, off their album Blue Minor.

Mixing provided by Gary Hankins.

Audio hosting costs covered by Greg Guiliano of Wait Think Fast Productions.

And to all my friends who have been so supportive of this project, I love you!

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